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Post by Boomerwang on Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:36 am

Aaaaagh, OMG!

Bad second season forgiven!

Har har har.

What did you think?!
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Post by corlegacy89 on Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:53 am

cannotttt wait for it to come out online tomorrow.
missed it tonight cuz of rehearsal Crying or Very sad

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Post by stechen on Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:28 am

... when are your rehearsals? I'm getting this impression that there's some overlap here. ^_^
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Post by corlegacy89 on Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:18 pm

9:30-11 on Mondays...=/

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Post by stechen on Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:56 am

Haha, our rehearsals do indeed overlap a bit. So it really *was* you guys singing worship songs then?
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Post by corlegacy89 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:18 pm

hahah yup it sure was!
it's our tradition to do that the first rehearsal of every semester (and then at random times throughout)
it's called "stairwell sing", awesome acoustics Very Happy

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Post by Psychosis on Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:21 pm

Dan Sa and I spent a good deal of time talking and laughing about the huuuge plot holes over AIM (season 1 was basically undone,) but agreed that Heroes is far more enjoyable if you just forget about them. In spite of that, the third season has me hooked, I really enjoy the concept of time travel and screwing up different timelines with interventions.
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Post by Boomerwang on Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:42 pm

Yeah I think in general people were not satisfied with the short Season 2... but so far I think Season 3 has delivered. Some of us were talking about how fast-paced it was, and given that I missed the first 20 mins of the premier episode, things were even more confusing for me (plus the fact I don't remember the second season much).

Some interesting things on my mind (hidden via spoiler text in case any of you don't want to hear about what's been happening so far - click to reveal):

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  • What kind of power do you think Mohinder Suresh actually has? At first it seemed like the cliche super strength, but then there were the heightened senses, scaling walls, and at the end, what Ben Ryu thought were horrendous sores forming on his back, and his seemingly aging face. My own theory is that instead of sores, it's some kind of molting process - to me, he might be adopting insect characteristics.
  • What about Ando from the future? Do you think it really was him, or an imposter? And what's up with the red lightning? Do you think it's different from "Veronica Mars"? (that's what I'll refer to her as, I'll never see her differently haha)
  • Spencer and I were wondering how the heck Sylar found Claire so fast...? And it seems obvious to me that given that Sylar understood Claire's ability after taking it, he knew he couldn't kill her so he left her alone (basically, what he told her).
  • So future Peter Petrelli is messing around in the present. This is a clarification question: Is the present Peter stuck in that one Latino inmate's body? And why can Nathan Petrelli see that guy's reflection now? Similar to Nikki Sanders?
  • Lindermann is alive?! How did he survive after getting shot in the head? So far Season 1 showed that his ability could give others life (i.e. the plant), but I didn't think that he was immortal.
  • Claire is losing the ability to feel pain? Maybe this has something to do with Sylar's tampering with her brain?
  • What's up with Nikki Sanders/... "Tracy?" Strauss? Identity crisis? Alter ego/sister?
  • And what happened to the original alliance going on between Mohinder, Nikki, and Nathan? I thought they were working together for "Dad Goldfinger's" company...


Agh, so many questions! Let's discuss.
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Post by corlegacy89 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:23 pm

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- mohinder's abilities at first reminded me of like...Beast from X-Men. Until he started shedding skin.
- Yes, present day Peter is stuck in that big inmate's body. umm...what reflection of Nathan's are you talking about? I only know that he could see himself as he was after the nuclear explosion from Season 1.
- I thought Nikki died in Season 2....she didn't have any powers, no real reason why she'd be able to survive that explosion in the house. So i have no clue who this lady is. she has different powers, too...like Ice Man
- ....Angela is Sylar's mom? .....huh?

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Post by lwoca on Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:33 pm

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1) I thought Mohinder was suffering the repercussions of his experiment at the time, but not really sure right now. 2) I think present Peter is in the inmate's body. My question is how did he get there? and where did the inmate's mind/soul go? Also, what is the inmate's power because I recall HRG telling Claire that his powers are extremely devastating 3) I definitely think Tracy is another personality of Nikki. I think another personality takes over during times of extreme stress (i.e. explosion) and seeing how Tracy can freeze things, she could have saved herself by freezing her surroundings during the explosion. 4) I have no idea what's going on with Angela and Sylar. Sylar related to the Petrelli's ?????

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Post by Boomerwang on Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:24 pm

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1) Well I think Mohinder's symptoms are definitely related with the injection he gave himself. But yeah, I'm also not sure if it's an illness or a transformation. 2) I don't know what the inmate's powers are...

I thought Peter (or whoever got on the phone) saw the inmate's reflection in the glass at the gas station or something... but maybe I was seeing things, I mean, I think the inmate was present at the crime scene where the inmates were beating people up. 3) Casey, I like that theory. 4) Maybe Angela is not speaking the entire truth. She could be making an allusion?

I don't know if Season 2 addressed this... but how did Linderman survive?
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Post by corlegacy89 on Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:50 am

Spoiler:

-the inmate's powers are left undefined on purpose. clare's dad didn't tell her what they were. it was like...theyr'e so devastating i dont even wanna talk about it.
- yes, Peter did see the inmate's reflection. But you said Nathan the first time =P
So i was like uhhhh what the heck are you talking about. Peter is inside the inmate's body. They just showed us Peter at the gas station so we would know it was him. But his reflection is how he looks like to everyone else. (this idea has been used in Charmed so it's not new to me. hehee)
- I like Casey's theory too. Makes sense.
- I dont know how Linderman survived either.

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Post by vaneckb on Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:42 pm

Spoiler:
Something to keep in mind when trying to figure out what's going on: As the name implies, Heroes is about people with superpowers, of almost infinite variety. add to that the time travel aspect and the injection that Mohinder developed and you have almost limitless possible explanations for everything. Consider Future Ando, there are any number of explanations. It might really be him, and he could have gotten a power from Mohinders research. It might be any of the changling/illusionist characters we've already encountered, or it might be one of the Heroes that can steal or absorb others power (illusion + other power). Heck in that version of the future Hero could be the Bad guy and Ando stays good. OR maybe Because Hero goes forward and time and sees this he starts treating Ando bad, and Ando starts resenting him. All perfectly reasonably possiblities, and thats just the beggining.

Now some other things we have some clues to. First. what makes you all believe Linderman Actually survived? Nobody else can see him, which implies he is a hallucination of some sort. Recall what future Peter said to him, "I hope you can forgive me for what I've done to you" Maybe that meant shooting him, but recall that he has Matt's mind powers, and he's actually better at it (he beats matt quite easily in the closet). I don't know whether or not Future Peter made Nathan halucinate, or if he just went a little crazy from being shot, but I strongly suspect Linderman isn't real. Second, the Peter inmate issue might not be so simple. Future Peter put him there, and he has almost all the abilities we've seen so far, plus four more years worth. Maybe he just made Present Peter look like the inmate and put him there, we just don't know, except that Peter is in complete control of what looks to everyone to be the innmate. Interestingly he doesn't appear to have his own power (else he would use it to stop the others from killing, and to escape from his cell) This begs the questions,

Does Peter have the inmates power?
If Peter doesn't have his own power, why? and how will he get it back?

Another question, if Nikki is indeed Tracy how does she get this second power? Two powers is unusual except for the Ubberpowers (Peter and Sylar), and if she isn't Nikki, who is she?

As for who works for whom and helps whom, given the incredible amount of dissembling and scheming inherent in the whole show, especially the villains and the older generation of heroes, it's practically impossible to figure out who's working for who, related to who, friends with who, and who's really a villain. As for Nikki, Mohinder, and Nathan working for the company, the destruction of that alliance is fairly straightforward, Nikki is either dead or an alternate personality with no memories of herself. Nathan got shot and is either being manipulated by Linderman, or he's gone crazy, Mohinder never really trusted the company much, and now "daddy goldfinger" is dead.

One more question, Who's power do you think is really more powerful? Sylar or Peter? I used to think Peter for sure, he has any power on sight, wheras Sylar has to work for each one. But the latest episode make me think a lot. When sylar steals a power, he does it by seeing HOW IT WORKS, and apparantly, based on his conversation with Claire, that means he REALLY understands it. He doesn't have to learn to use them like Peter does, or learn what they do by trail and error like Claire or Matt did, he knows what they do better than the people he steals them from. What does everyone else think? That is if you read this whole ridiculously long post.

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Post by stechen on Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:06 am

This thread is hilarious if you don't open all the spoilers.
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Post by Boomerwang on Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:14 am

Dang it, I missed it tonight! But that's alright, I'll catch up soon.

I like your theories, Ben. (Well, everyone's at that.) I'm not so sold on the Linderman idea, but at this stage in the game it's just as valid a theory as any other (unless tonight's episode revealed something).

I was actually thinking something similar for Future Ando. Many of our friends think he's 100% human through and through (and not latent)... so we'll have to see how he got that ability of his. My first thought is
Spoiler:
an impersonator for Ando
, and my second is that
Spoiler:
he receives an injection from Mohinder.

The Peter and the Inmate situation I felt wasn't as difficult to rationalize in my head. If in fact Peter's body
Spoiler:
is now the inmate's, then he has none of the physical/physiological/biological/genetic/whatever means required to use his powers - it seemed that it was just a transfer of consciousness, which based on how the powers in the show work, wouldn't not allow Peter to use his powers in the inmate's body simply because the body isn't his own. As for the inmate's own power, Peter can't use it for now for the same reason that some other people have taken time to discover and develop their powers - it's probable to me that given enough time spent in the inmate's body, Peter will discover what the inmate's power is and learn to use it, just like any other superhuman who had to first discover their own latent ability before being able to use it (obviously doesn't refer to those with "active passive" abilities, such as Claire's invulnerability.

The Nikki thing is just plain confusing, but I like Casey's theory so far. Personally, it'd be really crazy (maybe even kind of [!]?) if it turned out to be a third sister, or something. We should always remember that Nikki doesn't suffer from "multiple personalities" (even though her symptoms were so similar) - she has multiple people existing inside of her. Maybe she has more.

Yeah, I'm discounting the whole company thing from Season 2. Like you said, too many ways to explain anything = wasting too much time thinking about theories that aren't substantial enough.

As for Peter vs. Sylar... I share your view. At first I thought Peter for sure, but now I'm not so sure. I think it depends on the situation, though. If they had to fight then and there in the street, Peter would win hands down because Sylar has to take time to obtain his abilities. But if they had a whole city to play with, and the fight lasted days, not hours... I think Sylar would win for the reason you described.
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Post by vaneckb on Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:23 am

In case any of you didn't know you can actually watch heroes online at NBC.com. It's really nice if you miss an episode for some reason. (It has something like the latest seven episodes at any given time)

Spoiler:
This weeks episode didn't give us anything on Future Ando really.

The Peter Inmate question has been answered, he didn't have his own powers, apparently his being was somehow captured in the inmates body. I must say I was dissapointed with his power, I mean it was powerful, but nothing on the order it was implied to be, in fact I'd say the magnetic guy was way more powerful, he just didn't use his power very well.

Tracy/Nikki is really difficult. It would seem that they were both some sort of genetic experiment, and that they are not simply alternate Nikki personalities. My guess would be the Company was involved (considering that we know they had Nikki under heavy survelence)

Is Sylar really mama Patrelli's son? or is she just playing them all for controll (especially since it was recently revealed that she can see the future)

Interesting thought, apparently powers are not as unique as I used to think, a lot of people can see the future now and there are several ice power people (Tracy and guy sylar killed), and apparently at least the (African?) guy can give his power to Matt temporarily.

Final thought for you on the mysteries of Heroes to add to my previous discussion of the difficulties of figuring out what is going on: The rules of death are really vague in Heroes. For example apparently Peter, Sylar, Claire, and that other guy from season 2 are immortal, and also apparently their blood can heal any illness and bring people back from the dead (although we don't really know the limits of this).

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Post by Boomerwang on Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:13 pm

Just an FYI that I'm going to be behind now in watching, as I'm going to be going to Monday DPM @ Bursley. I'll probably have to catch up sometime during the weekend. So I am resisting the temptation to click that Spoiler text. O.O

(Btw, it looks like I somehow censored myself in my prev. post, but how did that happen? I didn't say anything... Hmmm. Smells like something's broken)


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Post by Psychosis on Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:32 pm

Yay, last night's episode had fewer plot holes than usual, props to Tim Kring and the writers.
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Post by Boomerwang on Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:11 pm

Watching the latest episode now (that aired yesterday). Wow, kind of crazy.

*light spoiler warning* (not gonna bother putting tags up, haha)


Steven's power was ridiculous! I'm kind of sad he was just a one-episode thing, but given his personality, I don't think it's suitable for him to come back. It'd be very interesting to see if they explore where things end up after getting [x] in. It could almost be like The Prestige.

Do you think Sylar is really reforming? I doubted it at first, but with the vision from the future, and how this episode revealed that he could experience others' pain (no doubt thanks to him acquiring Bridgette's ability), I think it's definitely possible. In fact, it strikingly reminded me of Season 1, when Sylar experienced (real?) remorse after obtaining Isaac's ability. Maybe it's also happening here. Very interesting theme to explore.

At first I thought Linderman's power far extended beyond the ability to rejuvenate any living thing he touches. But after this episode I think the questions about him have pretty much been resolved (though with this series you just never know).

I don't like the "multiple Nikki sisters" concept. I would have preferred Casey's theory, where Nikki survived due to her being saved by her third personality. It also irks me that these powers aren't unique, but only because it makes each main character a little less spectacular (like, a ton of people can apparently tell the future in one way or another, or influence others' minds). But I do appreciate the subtle differences as to how each goes about it, and I have no doubts that "synthetic abilities" and as a result, "repeated abilities," is definitely a theme that the creators want to explore.

By the way, with Claire's regenerative ability, is it safe to assume that if you impale her with an object and keep the object held there, that she will stay dead until it is removed? What then about smaller objects, say bullets? I remember specifically Maya's gunshot wound from Sylar healing and her body pushed the bullet out. But maybe one's body has a much tougher time pushing out a big piece of metal stuck in one's head.

Who is Mr. Petrelli's "sidekick"? He really reminded me of Parkman's father, Maury. Wait... is it Maury??

And I really really like the creepy path that Mohinder is taking. I think my original theory is somewhat true - that he is evolving insect/reptilian traits, or maybe even evolving into such a hybrid creature. It'd be very appropriate given that Mohinder's been harping about the good of evolution throughout the entire series (as possibly a foreshadowing?). The insect/reptilian aspect also fits, given Mohinder's ability to scale walls, super strength, sharpened senses and reflexes, quickness, the alterations on his back (resembling metallic scales or plates - a toughening of the flesh, or shedding?), increasingly aggressive tendencies, and cocooning ability. By the way, what do you think he's cocooning his victims for? I'm thinking one of two things: Future experimental subjects... or food. (It'd make sense to use Maya as an experiment, and it'd make sense to use a drug dealer as food.) It seems like they are still alive? Even if they don't seem conscious (as evidenced by the unfriendly neighbor opening his eye but otherwise not reacting). He might walk the same path as Sylar - at first he gets carried away with his abilities, but then becomes a recluse in the future because he realizes how dangerous he is to those around him. (as shown in 4 years in the future)

Heroes Wiki wrote:
He [Nathan] still insists that it was God that brought him back from the dead and gave him his powers. Tracy tells him that she got her powers from experimentation by Dr. Zimmerman.

Very, very interesting philosophically.
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Post by corlegacy89 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:23 pm

Okay, so something was wrong with Google Chrome...prly have to restart the comp or something. but it wouldnt let me post and it kept deleting it. ugh... well here's a cliffnotes version:
- i think sylar is reforming but of course with this season pretty much nothing is predictable anymore...
- I think you're right about clare. Her body can push out a bullet when it regenerates but doesnt have enough force to dislodge a pole in the head or something.
- Yup, Matt's dad is back....unfortunately. he was pretty annoying.
- Sorry, Jerry, I can't stand Mohinder. Never liked him. He's annoying and dumb and only gets in the way and screws things up (i.e. shooting Clare's dad in the eye and wrapping ppl up in cocoons).
- As a matter of fact, lots of people bug me this season. Don't like Peter anymore....used to be awesome. Of course he had to take Sylar's power and get all messed up in the head...
And Hiro...what a wimp. Gets knocked out like every episode. And he killed his friend- for what? to be cool and "bad"? he's off my favorite list.
I guess my fav is Clare now. Too bad her powers don't do any damage.
- Oh yeah and I don't like Clare's biological mom. talk about a cocky lady. She thinks her little fireballs are the best power ever. What was she thinking going up against that mind control dude?

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Post by vaneckb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:22 pm

NOOOOOO, apparently my session timed out and I lost my post, it was really long too, basically I agree with Cory on most if it, particularly on how some of the characters are annoying. a lot the things they do seem really out of character, especially Peter and Hiro. Also claire's dad, despite the constant insistence that he's actually brilliant and stuff, seems quite stupid, how is fire ball lady supposed to protect claire exactly? she's no match for the majority of the powers we've seen so far. consider: stopping time, Illusions, mind controll, telikenisis, power stealing, etc.

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Post by vaneckb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:25 pm

So I find it interesting to think of ways that the heroes could have actually used there powers and avoided these messes that they keep making. Here are some of my thoughts

-claire's healing: Didn't you watch the x-men when you were little?
implant a little offensive capabilities or at least learn how to punch,
you can't die for heaven sakes what are you and your family afraid of,
at least learn to protect yourself, your immortal it's not like you
don't have the time.

-Peter: get with the freezing time man, Sylar's exploding, well then
freeze time and move him, or pick him up and fly away, or mind control
him, whatever you do don't stand there with a dumb look on your face.
Attacking your own mother? dumb, but haven't you been knocked out
enough times to remeber to use your SUPER SONIC HEARING, which you
should have gotten from sylar if you didn't, or just freeze time so
there are not interruptions, PLEASE DO SOMETHING NEXT TIME. Also you
can get ablities, so why aren't you gathering useful ones? Linderman
could heal people, that means all those people who die around you you
could heal, there's no limit to what you could do if you just tried.

Hiro: once again I say freezing time could be pretty useful for you.
Feel you have to stab your best friend through the chest for no solid
reason? ok, so as soon as your all out of sight freeze time and take
him to a hospital.

This is just the beginning of the ways they could use there powers more effectively, anybody else have any good ones? Even more interesting, how could you use some of their powers in unrelated but creative ways?

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Post by Boomerwang on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:20 pm

Hiro's situation seems pretty obvious to me - he's definitely going to go back in time and rescuing him. I don't think he would have "killed" Ando if he didn't have such a backup plan. However, maybe knowing that Ando kills him in the future is enough to keep him from rescuing Ando?

I really enjoy Mohinder's accent. The intelligence that the script gave him in Season 1 and so forth is really interesting to me. I also like the irony of Mohinder's situation: Notice that up to date, he is the only one whose powers have caused noticeable physical changes in anatomy. For someone who's quipped about the virtues of "activating evolution" throughout the entire series, the irony is pretty amusing.

I'm not sure if Peter actually acquired enhanced hearing from Sylar. When Sylar was injected with the Shanti virus and temporarily lost his powers, I think he had to start from almost square one when he applied Mohinder's cure. That he still retained his telekenesis ability is a mystery to me, but it looks like he had to start over with a clean slate and begin re-acquiring new abilities.

Two thoughts:

- I agree with most fans out there - they are overplaying the immortality bit (transferrable immortal blood was a bad idea). They need to devise a better mechanism for bringing people back. Or they need to make up their minds and let people die to keep them from becoming cheapened in the eyes of viewers.

- Sylar should not have been given access to Claire's ability. It derails the entire continuity train.


Hmmm, "using powers in creative but unrelated ways"... Well, I have a good one. In fact, the perfect combination for us students: With Claire and Linderman's combined powers, you could go to school for free and get perfect grades every term. Get hit by an Mbus every term. Kill a roommate (and later revive him) every term!


It'd be convenient to have Tracy Strauss' freezing ability. You'd definitely draw attention at a block party.

Claire's mom's fire abilities could be put to good use to delay exams dates...

If you ended up like Mohinder, pick a random hall in a dorm and recreate the hive scenes from Aliens!!

If you could fly like Nathan Petrelli or West, you'd have it made in terms of dates.




Ah, here's a question: If you yourself were a new character in the Heroes universe, what new power would you have? (be creative, don't pick a currently-existing one)
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Post by corlegacy89 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:37 pm

Okay, i guess a little late to post this now but..(acutally Jerry don't read yet if you haven't seen the latest episode) i dont see how that woulda been a viable backup plan. if he planned to go back in time to save ando,why would he stab in the first place? all the events that he woulda done after stabbing never would've happened and they would've ended up right where they started again. but okaaaay i dont completely hate hiro now. although...i thought super fast girl couldnt freeze? weird...maybe only when she's running?
and whaddya know? hiro got knocked out agaaaain. like 2-3 times. lol

- this episode was pretty predictable compared to the other ones. once the mind control dude started the "spin the gun" game, i knew clare was gonna have to get shot and recover.
- once peter got to the plant and his dad said to give him a hug....ugh. obviously. peterrrr you're useless now!! =(
- oh yeah, and his dad is pretty much a copy of rogue. a lot of em are copies of x-men, but i guess you can only think of so many different powers...the vortex dude was prly the most unique. although even with him, he's a copy of Abyss (one of the 4 horsemen from the x-men series.) okay i'm starting to sound too nerdy now, i'll stop Very Happy

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Post by Boomerwang on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:37 pm

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Hiro's stint with the African was hilarious. To me it was almost as if the creators knew that Hiro constantly getting knocked out was an endearing (if annoying) gag to the audience, so they played off that.

corlegacy89 wrote:i thought super fast girl couldnt freeze? weird...maybe only when she's running?

I'd agree with that, and it'd almost make sense, because Daphne (the super fast girl) doesn't operate normally at superspeeds, it's just when she moves.

I'm sad that Adam (apparently) died. :( And I guess that indicates that Peter won't be getting his powers back...


Yeah, I think that it's hard to come up with unique super abilities, because there's just been so many characters created. I think it may not be so much that it's because the creative database has been exhausted, but rather 1) mainstream comic abilities have railroaded our thinking somewhat, and 2) some abilities are just so general that they cover up a lot of smaller, more specific abilities that new characters could possess.
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